NC Sez: It is NOT the place of Christians to “forgive” lawbreakers. We have laws for a reason and for a Christian to claim that it is our place to forgive law breakers denies the reason for having LAW! What place is it for ANY individual or Society to forgive on behalf of the real victim of any crime who was hurt by an illegal? Only GOD and the victim have the Right to forgive! The American Church HAS lost its soul, its spirit and its sanity! This is another example of collectivist idolatry where we make the State and Society, GOD, dispensing “forgiveness” and absolution!
I challenge any Christian to show me in Scripture where Society or the State has any RIGHT to forgive on behalf of a victim hurt by a lawbreaker! Show me and proof me wrong! The only thing the state can and should do, is dispense JUSTICE! Forgiveness can happen only by an individual. Clemency, which should not be confused with forgiveness, and is a very different thing from forgiveness, is done only on a case by case basis by the governor of a state for the purpose of mitigating the punishment for a crime.
Question: What does forgiveness have to do with Law and Justice? Either a Law is righteous and just and should be obeyed and enforced, or it’s not just, and needs to be repealed with retroactive amnesty.
Forgiveness has NOTHING to do with determination of the “justness” of any Law.
The Church has lost its mind because it can no longer THINK!! And the lawbreakers are happy for it! Lawlessness prevails in America!
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Why We Are Going to Hell – Part 3,995
Conservative Protestants Condone Law-Breaking
Has the Christian Church Gone Crazy???
by
Paul L. Williams, Ph.D.
Evangelical Christians this week offered the Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY) and members of the U.S. Senate Immigration Reform Committee their ringing endorsement of full amnesty for the 20 to 30 million illegal aliens within the country.
Open borders and high immigration, the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) proclaimed, increases membership in evangelical churches and is good for the economy.
Rev. Leith Anderson, president of the NAE, said there was no dissent among the members of his organization in ratifying a pro-amnesty resolution.
He testified that the Gospel requires that Christians be willing to forgive illegal aliens for breaking existing immigration laws and statutes.
Rev. Anderson added:
“We believe that undocumented immigrants who have otherwise been law abiding members of our communities should be offered the opportunity to pay any taxes or penalties owed, and over time earn the right to become U.S. citizens and permanent residents. The process of redemption and restitution is core to Christian beliefs, as we were all once lost and redeemed through love of Jesus Christ.”
The NAE describes itself as “. . . a network of 40 denominations comprising more than 45,000 local churches located in every congressional district and every state.”
Most of the member denominations uphold a literal interpretation of scripture and intransigent support for traditional values. The list of includes:
- Anglican Mission in America
- Assemblies of God
- Brethren in Christ Church
- Christian Reformed Church in North America
- Church of God
- Church of the Nazarene
- Churches of Christ In Christian Union
- Conservative Lutheran Association
- Evangelical Assembly of Presbyterian Churches
- Evangelical Presbyterian Church
- Evangelical Free Church of America
- Fellowship of Evangelical Churches
- Free Methodist Church of North America
- General Association of General Baptist
- International Church of the Foursquare Gospel
- International Fellowship of Christian Assemblies
- International Pentecostal Church of Christ
- International Pentecostal Holiness Church
- Presbyterian Church in America
- Primitive Methodist Church USA
- Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America
- The Brethren Church
- The Christian & Missionary Alliance
- The Evangelical Church
- The Salvation Army
- The Vineyard, USA
- Transformation Ministries
- United Brethren in Christ
- US Conference of the Mennonite Brethren Churches
- The Wesleyan Church Corporation
The position of the NAE remains incomprehensible to many conservative Christian conservatives, including Rev. Judith Schmitt of Puritan Congregation Church in Scranton, PA.
“It’s outrageous for any Christian or Christian organization to condone law-breaking,” Rev. Schmitt said. “Forgiveness is central to the Christian doctrine but approval and reward of wrong-doing is not.”
Others, including conservative writer Patrick J. Buchanan, wonder why the endorsement of plans to grant full amnesty fails to create national outrage. He points out that while 25 million Americans remain unemployed or underemployed, “8.5 million U.S. jobs are held by illegal aliens who broke into the country or overstayed their visas.”
Senator Schumer and other advocates for amnesty argue that illegals take jobs that Americans are unwilling to accept.
This argument has been laid to rest by a raid on six Swift & Co. meatpacking plants which rounded up 1,200 illegal aliens, 10 percent of the workforce. The raid failed to create any employment problems for Swift. In a matter of weeks, the plants were operating at full force – - manned by hundreds of native-born Americans who were delighted to take the jobs.
Says Vanderbilt University Professor Carol Swain, “Whenever there’s an immigration raid, you find white, black and legal immigrant labor lining up to do these jobs Americans will supposedly not do.”
raging capitalist
on Oct 12th, 2009
@ 10:03 pm:
These are christians by convenience because as soon as God’s law is no longer fashionable to them, they change it. GIVE UNTO CAESAR THAT WHICH IS CAESAR’S. Plain and simple! We are told by God that we are to obey the law of the land. Oh I’m sorry . I assumed that they were intelligent and could understand simple scripture. Nowhere in scripture are we told to go into the streets and protest and cause trouble.
Sure we can forgive but they still have to pay the penalty which means DEPORTATION. OK I forgive now get the hell out. See that wasn’t too difficult. I feel more virtuous already.
raging capitalist
on Oct 12th, 2009
@ 10:27 pm:
My wife will be the first to tell ya, “Don’t get me started”!
About all this “La Raza” nonsense, it has always been my feeling that if you are going to be running around getting all braggy about your race don’t you think you ought to have a race worth bragging about to begin with. When I look south of the border I see nothing worth bragging about. If there was any thing down there worth bragging about it seems to me that all the immigration would be headed that direction. So in all rights we are the ones who should be running our mouths about how great and wonderful the Judeo-Christian Caucasians are who actually did all the work in building this great country which everyone is climbing under the fence to get to.
But that would be racist of me and of course it would be vain of me to try to give myself credit when most of the principles embodied in the constitution can be traced directly to the ancient Israelites
nocompromise
on Oct 12th, 2009
@ 11:39 pm:
You racist! You meanie, you bigot! yep, you must be a white dude!