NC also there are at least 2 international petitions re: the case of the Afghanistan student.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/article775954.ece
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Pervez_Kambaksh/index.html
Hat Tip to Act! Seattle for America!
Afghani journalism student Parwiz Kambakhsh has been sentenced to death for blaspheming because he not only downloaded articles regarding woman’s right’s under Islam, but also exposing the brutality against women and children by the local warlords in his community. He is being sentenced to death for “disseminating defamatory comments about Islam.”Say it isn’t soooo? Sounds like another mo-ham-med teddy bear moment to me! A three judge panel decided that his articles were blasphemous and sentenced him to die. That’s Shari’ah Law for you. The issue for this writer is the Islamic concept of blasphemy.
Blasphemy is an act describing an indignity offered to YHVH by denying that which is due Him or attributing to him which is not agreeable to his nature.This is key because under Sharia Law abusing women and children and let’s not forget the indignities offered to men as well is quite the nature of their moon god allah! So why be upset when a Muslim points that out? Basically, under Islam any number of random individuals get to decide what is blasphemous and what is not blasphemous. No one ever knows. This is the dangers of an Islamic political and religious regime that some Muslims want to institute here in America.
Under American culture, laws are strictly defined and if laws are not strictly defined they are thrown out as vague and unenforceable. Under Shari’ah Law, laws are arbitrary and subjective. What one community enforces is different in other community. One denomination of Islam practices certain parts of western style Shari’ah law while other sects deny them. These are the same dangers found in postmodernism as well. Americans need to understand that there are cities that are ever increasingly turning into communities with their own sets of rules. More and more young Muslim women are being murdered because they wore pink, or listened to rock music, or had a crush on the boy next door. These are all very American characteristics and expected from our teen population. Is this what you want for your America? Do we, as Americans, want to lose our tradition of freedom and liberty to think and believe according to our conscience? This is what America is and we have an enemy possessed with the satanic drive to take that away from us.
True religion is applying the golden rule and treating others as you would wish to be treated. Simple. Not harsh and judgmental, but rational and sane and not arbitrary, FULL of mercy and good will. Justice is blind and must be tempered with mercy, but under Islam the so called religion of “peace” justice is murderous, arbitrary, wrathful, lacking all mercy and sound judgment, and according to this definition such practices do not constitute a true religion, but a violent cult based on fear bent on destroying human life.
Islam is truly Satan’s “religion.”
True religion is honoring the true God of unconditional love and mercy who forgives the iniquities of all humanity not expecting anything in return except to give and receive that forgiveness. Islam, however, is the cult of death, destruction, wrath and vengeance and doesn’t deserve equal consideration with true religions. Any Muslim that practices true religion according to the above definition will denounce Shari’ah Law immediately as a cultic, evil, and barbaric practice! We welcome, with open arms, such muslims!
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The Sphinx
on Feb 3rd, 2008
@ 10:51 pm:
It seems to me as if you need a crash course on true Islamic values. Let’s start with women’s rights:
1) In pre-Islamic pagan Arabia, there was the evil practice of burying newborn girls out of fear that she can bring shame to the family.
One of the first things strictly banned by Islam when it appeared was this horrible custom. Thus, Islam has granted women the right to live.
2) Before Islam, women were treated as property. Islam has explicitly said that women and men are EQUAL before God, and share the same rights and duties.
3) Before Islam (And even up to 100 years back in the US), women had no right to inherit. Islam pioneered in granting women the right to inheritence, and complete protection over her OWN untouchable belongings.
4) Islam has granted women the right (and even the duty) to get an education, get a job, participate in trade, earn her own money, that she is free to manage as she likes.
5) Islam has given women the right to choose her husband by herself, and get divorced if she wants.
The list goes on and on.
And now I ask you to NOT mix up this stuff with whatever bullcrap you’re seeing today that is committed in Islam’s name. Or when was the last time you flamed the law for the action of criminals? The REAL Islam has granted women their full rights and equality with men before God, and no amount of despicable misogyny or injustice in whatever society will change this fact.
Quote from you: “True religion is applying the golden rule and treating others as you would wish to be treated. Simple. Not harsh and judgmental, but rational and sane and not arbitrary, FULL of mercy and good will.”
Another quote: “None of you is a true believer until they wish for their kin what they wish for themselves” – Prophet Mohamed
Quote from you: “True religion is honoring the true God of unconditional love and mercy who forgives the iniquities of all humanity not expecting anything in return except to give and receive that forgiveness.”
Another Quote: “You should eagerly race towards forgiveness from your Lord and a Paradise whose width encompasses the heavens and the earth; it awaits the righteous ** who give to charity during the good times, as well as the bad times. They are suppressors of anger, and pardoners of the people. And Allah loves the charitable. ** If they fall in sin or wrong their souls, they remember Allah and ask forgiveness for their sins – and who forgives the sins except Allah – and they do not persist in sins, knowingly ** Their recompense is forgiveness from their Lord, and gardens with flowing streams; they abide therein forever. What a blessed reward for the workers! – Quran 3:[133-136]
Allah: Literal Arabic translation for “The God”.
Jesus: Mentioned in the Quran 25 times, referred to as the Messiah, considered the miracle birth of the virgin Mary (also mentioned by name), and a sign of Mercy to humanity from God for bringing his message. Miracles of healing the sick and awakening the dead confirmed.
Moses: Mentioned in the Quran not less that 141 times, considered a great and noble prophet from God that saved his people from the evil of Haman and the wicked Pharaoh. The parting of the sea and the drowning of the Pharaoh is confirmed in the Quran as well.
Torah: Mentioned at least 16 times in the Quran, regarded as God’s words, the Gospel and the Quran being considered as continuation of the same message, and not abolishment of such.
Satan: Called “Shaitan” in Arabic, regarded as the worst enemy of mankind, the one who brought Adam and Eve out of heaven, he who whispers temptation into the ears of people to do evil and prevent them from doing good deeds, and who is banned from God’s mercy until the Day of Judgment.
Are you starting to notice a pattern? Maybe it was about time you started reading the Quran for yourself, rather than being spoon-fed rubbish by people who have no clue?
I’m a proud Muslim, and I perceive Allah/God/Yahveh in the exact same way as you do. Does this mean I’m a bad Muslim, or that you have no idea what you’re talking about?
Quote: “And of the people are those who argue about Allah without knowledge, guidance, or an enlightening scripture” – Quran 22:8
Your idea of God and his mercy is great, but you have literally NO idea about Islam. Absolutely Zilch. Stop listening to whoever is smearing it with lies and filth, and get to know some REAL Muslims. And not the “Reform Islam” types, but Muslims who actually rever their own religion (as well as Christianity and Judaism, as prescribed in the Islamic tenants of faith), and share the same principles of faith.
For all I care, don’t embrace Islam, but don’t act all knowledgeable while all the stuff I have just said is most probably new to you.
If you’ll forget everything you’ve been told and listen for a change, we could be friends. If you refuse, then I’m not going to waste my time any more.
Good day to you.
The Sphinx
on Feb 3rd, 2008
@ 10:54 pm:
It should also be noted that there are no two religions that are as similar in their principles, traditions and customs as Judaism and Islam. The strict monotheism, the idea of kosher/halal food, ablution for prayers, circumcision, etc etc.. The list is long.
No Compromises
on Feb 4th, 2008
@ 12:38 am:
Well, you sure did evade the fact that this poor kid is sentenced to death for writing an article. You sure had nothing to say about that! That’s interesting. Sentenced to death under your Shariah Law.
First off, let me point out something from your own words: You are quoting Mohammed from the time he was in Mecca and not from the later period when he was in Medina were Mohammed negates all of his previous niceties.
So do you think it would have been better for Islam if Mohammed had died before conquering Medina? That’s a thought! Therefore there wouldn’t be a stark contradiction between those two periods. Things that make you go hmmm.
Since Mohammed did come centuries after the real Messiah showed up on this planet I am hard pressed to believe that he came up with any original thoughts of his own that was not borrowed from the Torah and the Gospels. All of course, to win approval and converts when he was militarily weak in his Mecca period. It is truly a tragic shame that Mohammed was permitted to live beyond that period, and so destroy his testimony in Mecca.
You state, “Islam has granted women the right to live.” How arrogant!
Islam does not have a RIGHT to grant life to anyone and any religion that claims this power is a liar!
You state, “Islam has explicitly said that women and men are EQUAL before God,”
Oh, really: then explain to the readers why women don’t have the simple right to drive a car by themselves, or dress they way they want or even talk to other men. Who gets to decide what’s “untouchable property” the men ruling under Shari’ah Law?
You state, “Islam has granted women the right (and even the duty) to get an education, get a job, participate in trade, earn her own money, that she is free to manage as she likes.”
Tell that to the Taliban in Afghanistan because they would disagree with you as they beat the poor women who are sitting on the side of the road begging for money so their kids don’t starve to death because some of their husbands were murdered for the simple act of not wearing their beards properly.
You state, “Islam has given women the right to choose her husband by herself, and get divorced if she wants.”
Are you saying that all the woman has to do is say, “Divorce, divorce and divorce and she can get rid of her man? And keep the children? Without loosing her life? Yeaaahhh, that’s not the reports coming from the women who live under this regime.
If you are screaming that there is a “real Islam” then take a stand right here and now denouncing honor killings, Shari’ah Law as practice by your one billion brothers. Denounce now and join reformislam.org who are tirelessly working to rid Islam of the blight of Shari’ah Law.
Stand up today, right here an now and let the readers know that you do not believe in bringing Shariah Law to Europe or America which includes Canada! Instead of being offended because I voice my opposition to this so called religion why don’t you understand what so many millions and millions of people are concerned about islam and Shariah Law.
Until then I will not stop exposing this evil religion for what it is! Barbarity towards human life!
If Yeshua is as you state, “mentioned in the Quran 25 times, referred to as the Messiah, considered the miracle birth of the virgin Mary (also mentioned by name), and a sign of Mercy to humanity from God for bringing his message. Miracles of healing the sick and awakening the dead confirmed”
then why not worship Him as Messiah? Why is it that Islam claims Yeshua as a prophet below mohammed. Sounds like blasphemy to me but that’s between you and YHVH. Not you, me and YHVH. You’ll have to work that out with Him.
If what you are saying is true about this in the Quran Yeshua is waiting for you to denounce allah who is only one of many pagan gods and not the Creator YHVH. The word “God” is not a holy word, but is merely a generic term which is on the same level and anyone saying, Hey you MAN over there.” Its a generic and unspecific term. It’s an in definite noun.
Re: Moshe–and who were those people that the great Moshe saved? The Jews! Those people who are the Apple of YHVH’s eye, and who Muslims claim are evil, and who Muslims falsely accuse every day of occupying their own land, of killing little innocent muslim kids, and using their blood in their matzo and who are accused of slaughtering the Arabs occupying the west bank and Gaza. Do you mean those people?
Will you today denounce all of these lies??
Koran: You claim that the koran, Torah and Brit Hadasha as all equal. Sorry, wrong again. Let everything be established by two or three witnesses. YHVH said that anyone who adds or takes away from the Torah will have that many plagues placed upon him. Galatians chapter 1 states that anyone who preaches to you out of another gospel let him be eternally condemned.
The koran is not part of, never has been part of, and never will be part of the TORAH, WHICH CAME FIRST!
Will you today denounce that wretched book, the Koran? It is not equal with the Torah, Haf Torah, or Brit Hadasha.
Religious equality is not welcome on this blog!
You state, “And of the people are those who argue about Allah without knowledge, guidance, or an enlightening scripture” – Quran 22:8″ Who cares what they know about this “religion”! What matters is the fact the under Shari’ah law if they choose their own knowledge, guidance and enlightening scripture they will be sentenced to death! Unlike other religions that allow people to freely believe what they choose under NO THREAT OF DEATH!
If you believe that I have the right to freely exercise my right to speak then denounce Shariah Law today!
Satan is called Ha Satan in Hebrew–who cares.
Allah may be a god but he is not YHVH because YHVH does not believe in the mass slaughter of people simply for having an opinion unlike under Shari’ah Law one can not practice their YHVH given right to free expression and speech and to practice their own faith without the death penalty! You can’t have it both ways. I assume you are an American. If that’s true and you are a Muslim that practices Islam do you believe what the American Declaration of INDEPENDENCE states when it says, “We are endowed by our Creator with certain un-a-lien-able RIGHTS to LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT of HAPPINESS?” That means I am FREE and liberated from the yokes of tyranny and I can believe and say what I choose without the fear of death!
Be a good Muslim and stand up today denouncing Shari’ah Law, denouncing that every person walking this planet has a right under YHVH to practice whatever faith they choose, marry whomever they choose, remove out of their life whomever they choose, eat what they want, discuss what they choose! Today–Denounce ANY law that takes away freedom from people!
You state:
“For all I care, don’t embrace Islam, but don’t act all knowledgeable while all the stuff I have just said is most probably new to you.”
No, it’s not new to me. Tyranny has been around since the dawn of time!
The Sphinx
on Feb 4th, 2008
@ 2:09 am:
Standard lie. What were these things he negated for example? Go ahead, give it your best shot.
So you deny that Islam has forbidden the filthy practice of taking women’s lives away? Under Islam, women have the unalienable right to live. Does your anti-Islamic filter warp this sentence so badly that you don’t recognize it anymore? What should’ve Islam done in that situation, IF NOT EXACTLY THAT?
What did I tell you before? “And now I ask you to NOT mix up this stuff with whatever bullcrap you’re seeing today that is committed in Islam’s name. Or when was the last time you flamed the law for the action of criminals? The REAL Islam has granted women their full rights and equality with men before God, and no amount of despicable misogyny or injustice in whatever society will change this fact.”
The fact that in Saudi Arabia, women aren’t allowed to drive has NOTHING to do with Islam, Sharia or common sense for that matter. There is nothing under Islamic law that prevents women from travelling, talking to men and yet you smear it because of people who’re getting it WRONG.
It’s like somebody attacking Christianity for what retards like Pat Robertson say. Make just as much sense, namely NONE. So if you’re going to blame somebody, then the Saudi authorities, the Taleban, but NOT the religion in itself, whose teachings go straight against these peoples’ actions.
And no, (dis)honour killings have nothing to do with real Sharia Law, neither you nor the people at reformislam.org have any idea about Sharia law, which lays the foundation for social affairs such as marriage, inheritence, jurisdiction, etc.
Or are you telling me that Judaism doesn’t have a rigid structure of laws managing all these things? Would you denounce that and get rid of it? I’m guessing no, so you are not entitled to tell Muslims to defenestrate their own laws which you know only lies about.
I know countless Muslims, and NONE of them are interested in bringing anything into Europe or America. When will you get out from under your bed and understand that Muslims in these places want to live their lives, have their freedom to religion and just get along in their host societies?
Of course I’ll be offended when you spew out lie after lie about my religion and try to boss me around saying what I have to denounce and what not, while I should be laughing about your sheer ignorance? Or do you not get offended by anti-semitic ravings by people who know squat about Judaism?
Didn’t I tell you that Islam is strictly monotheistic? A Muslim worships no man, not even Mohamed, ever. All the prophets, from Abraham to Mohamed are regarded as the best of humans and bearers of God’s very words, but it is idolatory to worship any one of them.
And all these miracles that Yeshua/’isa/Jesus was capable of were only possible by God’s will.
Quote: “The messenger has believed in what was sent down to him from his Lord, and so did the believers. They believe in God, His angels, His scriptures, and His messengers: “We make no distinction among any of His messengers.” They say, “We hear, and we obey. Forgive us, our Lord. To You is the ultimate destiny.” – Quran 2:285
Any questions?
Again your ignorance is painful. There is nothing by Islamic standards that defines Jews as evil. NOTHING. The only people the Quran has defined as evil were those who blasphemed against God and commited acts of malice against others. This has absolutely nothing to do with whatever religion these people belonged to.
Those who rejected Moses’ message and blasphemed against Yahveh by worshipping the golden calf in Moses’ absence. I’m sure “Chet ha’Egel” rings a bell there.
This by Islamic standard is evil, as by Jewish standards as well. Those who did not commit such acts and followed God’s message of course are not put into the same category as the others, and cannot – by any stretch of imagination – be regarded as evil people.
Does one need any more common sense to understand this?
Never. Not in this life. Not in the next. You might as well put your head through the next wall, rather than waiting for me to do that.
I will continue to view Judaism as God’s religion, even though I’m a Muslim. I hope that gives you some guilty conscience.
Just a small reminder: “Had your Lord willed, all the people on earth would have believed. Do you want to force the people to become believers?” – Quran 10:99
You have the right to speak, and I will not denounce Shariah Law, which you -once again- know nothing about. And you’re starting to sound like those annoying telemarketers by the way.
One of the most fundamental ideas of Islam is that God has clearly showed the good path, the evil path, and what awaits one at the end of both, and that people should choose whichever path they choose with their God-given brains and this revelation.
“There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in God has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. God is Hearer, Omniscient.” – Quran 2:256
Who are you to tell me how to be a good Muslim? I will NOT denounce the principles that my religion were founded on, which are the VERY SAME PRINCIPLES THAT YOURS IS BASED ON. I’ve brought a handful of evidence that this is the case, and you’re hysterically screaming that I should denounce that? Are you nuts?
I was wrong when I thought you’d have at least some capability to listen. I’m wasting my time here, but there is still a Day of Judgment, then the real truth will be revealed to all.
Respond with what you want. I probably won’t come back.
HannahJ
on Feb 4th, 2008
@ 2:37 am:
NC, don’t be too hard on the poor Muslim. S/he has good Koranic reason to denounce your “false understanding.” Below is Yusuf Ali’s translation of Sura 5 ayah 101 and 102:
“O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. But if ye ask about things when the Qur’an is being revealed, they will be made plain to you, Allah will forgive those: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.”
These are not taken out of context. The Koran has no context, since it is in neither topical nor chronological order.
No Compromises
on Feb 4th, 2008
@ 3:25 am:
Again, you are evading the issue so please answer the question Sphinx:
Is what is happening to this journalist under Islam in Afghanistan wrong or isn’t it? Do you disagree with this kid getting the death penalty for questioning the treatment of women under YOUR Islam?
Are you saying that these mere mortals who sit in judgment over this kid are apostates from Islam
Yes, or No?
Do you denounce this judgment, and do you think it’s a good thing that he is bringing attention to the plight of these women in Afghanistan? Yes, or No?
Another question I have for you: Do you denounce that warfare should be waged on non-believers? Yes, or No!
These are very simple questions, and I’m quite confused as to why you keep evading it! If Islam is so wonderful towards human beings then why not stand from the roof tops and let everyone in Europe, Canada, and America know what this, and I quote your words, “real Shari’ah Law” is, so we can be the judge of it. If what you say is true then why not take a stand against those who you claim have hijacked your religion?
Or is Islam to be accepted without question? Tell me . . Is Islam to be accepted without question?
By the way, Terrorist Sayyid Qutb foremost advocate for violent jihad also spouted the myth that islam was a religion of peace. Ah, huh! But the peace he meant was that all people submit to allah, and the law of the society be purified for allah.
If you are so sick and tired of so called uneducated people like myself being so concerned about Islam and Shari’ah law then why are you not tirelessly working towards reform? Apparently, you are not so concerned about how Islam is presented to the world.
You state: I know countless Muslims, and NONE of them are interested in bringing anything into Europe or America. When will you get out from under your bed and understand that Muslims in these places want to live their lives, have their freedom to religion and just get along in their host societies?
NC points out: In the Tafsir Uthmani which is one of Islam’s commentary on the Koran states that: “if a country doesn’t allow the propagation of Islam to its inhabitants in a suitable manner or creates hindrance to this, then the Muslim ruler would be justified in waging jihad against this country so that the message of Islam can reach its inhabitants, thus saving them from the Fire of Jahannum [Hell].”
In other words, submit to Islam and we won’t wage jihad on you!
I will believe you when I see your “countless muslims” protesting in the streets of America, Canada and Europe against the cell members who launch any kind of attack on the inhabitants of that city! I will believe you when I see your “countless muslims” protesting in the streets of America, Canada and Europe against the muslims parents who have murdered their beautiful daughter for the sake of their “honor” because she had a crush on the boy next door. I’ll stop bringing this issue up when I see your “countless muslims” denouncing the doctrine of abrogation and taqiyya so honest conversations and peace treaties can exist!
Then I’ll stop. By the way Sphinx: How would these Islamic practitioners of Shari’ah Law judge me and my decision to denounce Islam?
Final note: Islam is alot like communism: theory is totally different than actual practice.
ChenZhen
on Feb 4th, 2008
@ 4:32 am:
I’m sorry, but when anyone mentions Satan, I can’t help but think of the Church Lady.
“Could it be…SATAN?“
No Compromises
on Feb 4th, 2008
@ 4:38 am:
That’s funny! Thank you for your brevity. It was needed!
ChenZhen
on Feb 4th, 2008
@ 5:44 am:
Well I’m not quite sure about the logistics involved with Satan having a religion either. I mean, I’ve always assumed that Satan was a Christian concept, so that would mean that, by extension, Islam would be a Christian concept as well.
I’m really not up to speed on all this religious stuff, I’ll admit.
The Truth About Islam
on Feb 4th, 2008
@ 7:22 am:
To the apologists on this page – please, just quit. We don’t need all the baloney you’re offering – we can see with our own eyes that Islam is diabolical. All we need to do is look around at all the HORROR this disgusting ideology has caused all over the world. You’re “proud” of that?!
You don’t give a fig for the poor kid who is the subject of this blog, or for any of the people who are enslaved and murdered by Islam all over the world. Instead, you want to split hairs over what a condemnable murdering pedophile and rapist (Mohammed) really meant. Just be quiet. Islam needs to go the way of the dodo. Period. It is NOT “the truth.” In fact, quite the opposite.
And you are probably a Muslim ONLY because your ancestral country was invaded by violent criminals who raped and murdered their way into your culture. Yep, that’s something to be proud of!
Just give it up and join the human race – we will all get along much better after that.
in2thefray
on Feb 4th, 2008
@ 2:24 pm:
This says a lot NC. It shows the kernel of truth that will help transcend the quagmire that is Islamophobes and Islamofascists.The student under sentence in Afghanistan sits under the judgment of human extremists.Is there justice in his sentence ? No of course not since what it is supposedly based on is nonexistent. Sphinx made a very valid point about there being difference in what is done in the name and etc.
Historically speaking that applies to a lot of Christians too.
in2thefray
on Feb 4th, 2008
@ 2:58 pm:
NC also there are at least 2 international petitions re: the case of the Afghanistan student.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/article775954.ece
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Pervez_Kambaksh/index.html
No Compromises
on Feb 4th, 2008
@ 6:22 pm:
in2thefray: So are you implying that those lands with Christians on them are that way because of violent invasion of Christians aka Christian conquerers?
Well, that would make a very good study that’s for sure.
As far as the first quote is concerned:
if you aren’t paranoid your nuts! If they really are out to kill you are you still an islamophobe?
The term Islamophobe implies a person suffering from an irrational fear of an non existent imagined threat. I guess the whole multitude of scholars in North America and Europe sounding the warning alarm that we really do have a threat are all islamophobes. Be careful using terms coined by multicultural relativists just to manipulate the target masses.
If there are Islamofascists then how can you insult people who have valid concerns over the safety of their nation? The same applies to communism: the John Birchers were accused of looking for commies under every rock. They were ridiculed and belittled for their valid concern. They were right! it was a real issue and the belittling came from the commies!
One thing we do need to be aware of in both cases is to not allow such valid concerns to cause us to unreasonable surrender our liberties for the sake of present safety. It’s a balancing act. Liberty always comes first!
I do hope you participate in the Book meme–you were invited!
in2thefray
on Feb 4th, 2008
@ 7:00 pm:
“Christian Conquerors” On a denominational basis-yes.
There’s a difference between cautious wariness and straight out alarmism which is counterproductive.Currently between books till say Thursday
No Compromises
on Feb 4th, 2008
@ 7:29 pm:
I hear you, but want I don’t hear is the definitions of these words that you are using. They are subjective and in order for a discussion to take place one has to define their terms so all involved are on the same page.
Your definition of alarmism maybe quite different than 500 other people as with cautious wariness. I have no real understanding of what you mean.
I’ve studied and work with law for a very long time. The code writer must define the terms of the legislation that was just passed very precisely; the way the Legislature wants it written. The CR doesn’t have the right to make up his own definitions of words or just throw words around the law. It’s a very precise field.
This is why I talk alot about postmodernism. The very nature of postmodernism is to stress the subjective and redefining of words so what means one thing, to say, ummmm, Islamists and Modern Progressives mean an entirely different thing to voters and unaware mall shoppers and bus riders.
I have no clue what you mean when you say Islamophobes, alarmists, and cautious wariness.
That’s why I beat this drum so much. We must define our terms so we all know what you and I both mean in our discussion.
Also, who gets to decide what’s counterproductive and how would you know it was counterproductive?
Lujack Skylark
on Feb 9th, 2008
@ 6:32 am:
Its not safe to be a Moslem journalist. There are too many reasons why an Imam would want to put you to death for revealing the truth. These religious leaders break all 10 commandments in order to fullfill the words of their wayward prophet.
thenonconformer
on Aug 1st, 2008
@ 6:36 pm:
It is interesting that a lot of the comparative religion’s values stated on the internet was, are still based on how the followers of that religion, do respect the human rights of others too, and how they now do practically treat other, and each others too, especially how they do treat the women today, equally or unfairly now too. And while that alone is a valid point, especially since women make up over half of the population of the world, and all of this is valid especially , since God himself clearly and for certainty does not allow the abuse of any persons, verbally or physically, or allow now any human rights abuses now as well, and for any reasons as well, and that now also still even includes any man, woman, child, and any seniors now as well, any abuses of self or others are sinful…While there are some common, rare similarity amongst some of the major religions in this world, The aspect of divorce is clearly one that contrasts them all.. It is true that there are many Muslims, men as well as women, who fully do not live up to the teachings of Islam, just as there are many Christian men and women who do not live up to the teachings of Jesus. You must always still judge any person now by what they say, but by what they do. Bad people do bad things, no matter what their religion is now too. Also real Reform from within Muslim societies is still even needed, first by education, knowing that over half of Muslims today, are illiterate, only 15 percent know Arabic, which is the language of the Qur’an, the holy book of Islam. Too Many persons do practice their own version of Christianity, and Islam it seems thus, what others have said it says too..
What others say
“Islam as a religion aiming to oppress women is a direct result of the abuse of Islam by some Muslim states, depending on the absolute respect given to religion by Muslim societies. In fact, Islamic law, if interpreted outside of its proper context, could be abused to justify and codify the violations of women’s rights in Muslim societies and states in the name of religion, in order to achieve certain social and political goals. The central question that poses itself, is whether there already exists a space for women to enjoy their human rights under the umbrella of Islam, or whether in general, men “have a degree” over women in Islam (Abdul-Ati). If some people are arguing that Islam ensures equity between men and women in both rights and duties, then what does it mean when the Qur’an, which is the standard revelatory source of Islamic Law, says: “And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage in some cases of inheritance) over them,” (Qur’an 2:228). How would those people explain the meaning of that “degree” that men have over women? Is it because of that revelatory verse that some Muslim societies until now treat women as second-degree creatures in the name of Islam? The existence of some specific women’s rights in Islam is now obvious, and provided with a good argument, but how about polygamy in Islam? Is it true that a Muslim man has the right to marry up to four wives? Where is equity, then? What does it mean when the Qur’an states that a Muslim man, if he has the potential, can choose to marry one or two or three, or even four women (Badawi)? Does it mean that women are that marginalized and humiliated by the name of the religion?”
http://takingitglobal.org/express/panorama/article.html?ContentID=2393
It is a sad note as well that both religious persons of all the minor, major religions too, and non religious persons, at least 90 percent ofthem, have been, or are still unacceptably guilty of false the discriminations of others, even too often the accusers of the others.
There is still a serious, real need in changing the Muslim countries’ laws, agendas, in order to fill the gap between the supposed women’s rights afforded by Islam, and women’s rights afforded in reality by many of the Muslim societies, and most Muslim males have to accept some serious religious even re-education..
“I don’t understand how Islam supposedly can give all these rights to women and then place the man as the head of the household in a position to abuse the woman’s rights. For instance, how can she hold on to her personal wealth if he tells her to hand it over? I do not know one Muslim family where the man is not abusing his position in some way.” Surah 4 – verse 34: *{… as to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill conduct, admonish them [first], [next] refuse to share their beds, [and last] beat them [lightly]; but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means [of annoyance]: for God is Most High, Great [above you all].}* Can a wife beat her unfaithful husband according to Islam now too? Another central issue should be re-examined–the common practise of Islam where a Muslim man’s testimony in a court is counted as equal to the testimony of two Muslim women. That itself is degrading. “and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as you choose for witnesses so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her. ” (Qur’an 2:282). ” Much too many Muslim men consider this verse religious evidence that women are mentally deficient.” ” Many persons consider the standing of Muslim women behind men in prayers a practical evidence that women under Islam, are excluded and humiliated, even in matters regarding their spiritual rights and there is no justification for the standing of women behind men.”
“My beloved wife oftentimes reminds my family to regard her with respect to her mind, but my mama and papa laugh at her. What can I say to my wife to stop her from slapping them down in anger? “. If husband can divorce his wife by saying 3 talak at a time & marriage is over, then how does Islam protect women’s right? Many husbands do abuse their divorce power. All the Muslim men who claim to be Muslims and abuse the women supposedly do not even know well their own religion or do not practice it? and for too many Muslim men it seems also it does not matter what Islam says because he is only following what pleases him, his interests, his interpreations of the laws.. sad.. Also since Islam came supposedly with higher moral laws to correct those of the Jahiliyyah, why didn’t Islam abolish enslaving women and children at times of war? Any abuse of anyone by anyone still is unacceptable. ” Everytime I ask my dad to open a bank account for me, he says I am a girl and therefore I should not get a bank account, while my younger brother has a bank account…” all about the true side of Islam.
“O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may Take away part of the dower ye have given them,-except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good. Surah 4 Verse 19″
…They (Your wives) are your garments and ye are their garments. …. Surah 2 Verse 187
“Among the Muslims, the most perfect as regards his faith is the one whose character is most excellent, and the best among you are those who treat their wives well.”
thenonconformer
on Aug 1st, 2008
@ 7:00 pm:
Is this why many Canadians are dying for??
Afghani journalism student Parwiz Kambakhsh has been sentenced to death for blaspheming because he not only downloaded articles regarding woman’s right’s under Islam, but also exposing the brutality against women and children by the local warlords in his community. He is being sentenced to death for “disseminating defamatory comments about Islam.”Say it isn’t soooo? Sounds like another mo-ham-med teddy bear moment to me! A three judge panel decided that his articles were blasphemous and sentenced him to die. That’s Shari’ah Law for you. The issue for this writer is the Islamic concept of blasphemy
Physical abuse, Human rights abuses, Verbal abuse, silent treatment or being a control freak is also not acceptable even on the net..
Muslims women themselves now often complain to news editors how they are abused by Muslim men. Muslim Religion and do not have equal rights to the men, for example the right to go to school in many Muslim countries now too.. Muslims have equal rights to the other citizens in the English speaking countries.. In fact non Muslims do not have the same rights as Muslims in many Muslim countries now too and all of these facts are undeniable, and undisputable.
While there are some common, rare similarity amongst some of the major religions in this world, The aspect of divorce is clearly one that contrasts them all.. for a True Christian divorce is not permitted at all.. even if many Christians falsely practice it.
but one should also clearly note that the religion own method of the absolute treatment of the forgiveness of personal sins is also more important to note, recognize now as well. Only the Christian religion undeniable provides assurance of one’s personal salvation, entrance to Heaven and clearly now promises immediate complete forgiveness too, through the past shed blood of God, Jesus Christ Himself !
No Compromises
on Aug 2nd, 2008
@ 4:41 am:
NonConformer,
Thank you for your comments.
I want to encourage you to listen to this interview with Bill Warner so you can fill your knowledge base with more info. Let me know what you think. Here is the link:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nocompromise/2008/07/10/My-guests-today-are-Bill-Warner-Bill-Cooper
thenonconformer
on Aug 2nd, 2008
@ 5:14 am:
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/
zayd
on Nov 18th, 2008
@ 10:26 am:
islaam is for life and will never surrender
doctorbulldog
on Nov 18th, 2008
@ 3:49 pm:
zayd,
Islam means submission, so YOU have already surrendered.
Comparative religion’s values « Hot discussions
on Feb 1st, 2009
@ 4:05 pm:
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guess who ! George remember hahaha
on Feb 10th, 2009
@ 7:52 pm:
just dropped by to say howdy!! you know i never thought i would see the day, my stupidity and ignorance is sure surpassed hahaha , yall sure are retarded glad to see yall carrying the torch there buddy , yall making us americans really proud!!!.
Lesley T
on Oct 23rd, 2009
@ 9:46 pm:
Didn’t Mohammed learn about Judaism and Christianity and tried to spread it by renaming it ‘Islam’, but eventually made it his own religion by compromising with Arabic pagan religions and gaining enough power to become a spiritual ruler?
If you cut away and reform Islam, you may end up with bits and pieces of Judaism and Christianity, which is why Islam looks nice on the surface.
nocompromise
on Oct 23rd, 2009
@ 10:19 pm:
Actually, Leslie what happened was he had a demonic possession in a cave, claimed the word of God was corrupt and wrote the koran under demonic possession. The koran does have stolen parts from the Bible and Catholicism as well. A great place to learn about political islam is from Bill Warner’s site politicalislam.com Mohammad was a thief, a liar, a pedophile and a murderer. He gave nothing new to civilization.